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Social liberalism

Most American sources that use "social liberalism" usually refer to social liberalism proper, not cultural liberalism. In any case, we use a source of questionable reliability. Honestly, the use of this term misleads the reader who thinks "social liberalism" is the center/center-left ideology that this party clearly does not support. 93.38.68.62 (talk) 21:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Seungri400 @Toa Nidhiki05 As I have already said "social liberalism" is a super-misleading term especially during the U.S. presidential election. How many sources published in the United States use "social liberalism" to mean "cultural liberalism"?

In addition, there is an obvious pov pushing (which has been going on for years) to try to make this right-wing party appear as leaning to the left. To be extraordinarily honest, it looks like a move to fool leftist voters.

Then, why do we use an authorless source on an archived page? 93.38.68.62 (talk) 09:08, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Social liberalism" links to "cultural liberalism" here, which is what that other term is called in American English. The phrase "social liberalism" has a very clear and distinct meaning in American english with no confusion - being liberal on social issues. There's no other context in which "social liberalism" is commonly used. Toa Nidhiki05 15:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Toa Nidhiki05 Come on, even the Mises Institute uses the term "social liberalism" to refer to the center-left ideology.

http://mises.org/online-book/critique-interventionism/social-liberalism/3-liberalism-and-social-liberalism 93.38.68.62 (talk) 16:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the critique of the label. While "social liberalism" and "cultural liberalism" sound the exact same to me, the two are clearly different concepts on Wikipedia; I don't think it's an attempt at POV-pushing, I think it's an ignorance of the two terms' different meanings. I say it should link to "cultural liberalism." Packer1028 (talk) 07:15, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I change the text from “social liberalism” to “cultural liberalism” per talk. 93.38.68.234 (talk) 13:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RFC on terminology

With reference to MOS:ENGVAR and WP:UCRN: Are there reliable sources that substantiate the proposition that the term "social liberalism" is more extensively utilized in American English to denote "cultural liberalism" as opposed to social liberalism proper? 13:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC) 93.38.68.234 (talk) 13:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural liberalism is less ambiguous. A common phrase is "socially liberal but fiscally conservative", as opposed to "social liberalism" per se. Senorangel (talk) 04:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Being socially liberal, in the general senses of those independent words in American English, is not the same thing as being an aherent of social liberalism, a unitary term (with two words) for a particular ideology. Hell, even being a libertarian (l) doesn't necessarily make you a Libertarian (L), and voting Libertarian or registering as one doesn't actually necessarily make you an actual libertarian either. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 05:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Invited by the bot but I've been active long term on libertarian articles. The details make a big difference. It's VERY common in the US to say that libertarians are liberal (by the common US common meaning of "liberal" which is "left" and thus different than it's meaning in Europe) on social issues. E.G "socially liberal but fiscally conservative". "Social liberalism" and "cultural liberalism" are mostly academic terms which are not commonly used in the US. Neither of these terms is commonly used in the US and they are not a substitute for "socially liberal" type descriptions. North8000 (talk) 13:10, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed with that as well. However, if we have academic RS that equate this socially liberal general positioning, of most but not all libertarians, with the ideology or political philosophy of cultural liberalism or social liberalism (and perhaps equate those two labels with each other), then we might be able to add that, and one or both terms to the article, with some explanation. But we're not, per WP:NOR, in a position to make up our minds that what someone means by the common phrase "I'm socially liberial" is "I am a promponent of social liberalism", nor to equate that with cultural liberalism unless RS do so and are not drawing any distinction between them. So, there are at least two distinct questions here, and I'm highly skeptical with regard to both of them. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 05:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By piping to cultural liberalism, which we already do, we avoid that issue. This is an American article, and it's written in American English. Frankly, that's the absolute starting point here - and "social liberalism" doesn't mean social liberalism here, it means "socially liberal", or what other places call cultural liberalism. So the status quo is the best solution here. Toa Nidhiki05 13:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ideology

what do you mean Libertarian Party USA add libertarian socialist ideology? I don't understand, I don't know 2402:800:63A8:F383:95F8:FDA:57AA:16B6 (talk) 09:23, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Grnrchst help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:800:63A8:F383:95F8:FDA:57AA:16B6 (talk) 09:23, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Political position

This is a right-libertarian party and it belongs on the right-wing of the political spectrum. 189.55.7.169 (talk) 15:43, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]